RZM Paper Lable question ?

[Jo_Rivett]

Can anyone tell what the A8 number stands for on this Early RZM paper tag ? and then the A.
Merci ;)

[Gew44]

Hi Jo,
The A8 is the code for a "Lederknopfhersteller" ??? ( the pics attached coming directly from a Original RZM Handbook 1935) with only 6 factory codified !!
Please Jo first verify if I wrote correctly, second tell us the translation.
Your German is better than my... for sure. :lol: :lol:
Thanks :thumbup1:
The value for a single tag is indicated by the printed letter, for example
A = 1/2 Pfennig; B = 1 Pfennig; C = 2 pfennig; D = 3 Pfennig; E - 4 Pfennig; F = 5 Pfennig etc. (up through P for 50 Pfennig).
Bye

[wilhelm saris]

Hello,

With issue 10 from March 9, 1935 the Mitteilungsblatt der RZM published the new code-system: "Die Gruppen der Unterabteilungen".
Die Unterabteilung A stands of course for Ausrüstung. At that moment ten groups existed within A and indeed A8 is for leather buttons-manufacturers.
At that moment they mentioned it as: A8 Lederknöpfehersteller, which during the year and in the handbuch was renamed and described as Lederknopfhersteller. It is quite strange that leather buttons were not classified amongst Unterabteilung L, which stood for leather-products.
By the way: A9 was for Pressknöpfefabriken and A10 stands for Steinnussknöpfefabriken.

Metal buttons were classified with Unterabteilung M, which is Metall. With the M5 code (Uniformeffekten-Hersteller) with a) were classified the buttons.

The other A (etc.) is about the prices. This was already told about once by me with another thread.

best regards,
wilhelm

[Jo_Rivett]

THX guys..
Wow, i wonder what this tag is doing on my Begräbnisscherpe ? is it all possible? That a Begräbnisscherpe could be considered Ausrüstung? (because the seller or makers code is entered under A )

[wilhelm saris]

what do you think yourself?
Is a Begräbnisscherpe a leather button?
Everybody is able to pin on a tag to whatever product!

[wilhelm saris]

Hello Massimo,

The 1938 code-lists included only four Lederknopf-manufacturers:
A8/1 = Ernst, Inhaber Helene Ernst, Witwe from Löbau;
A8/2 = Hans Schulz & Co from Oppach;
A8/6 = K.Streubel from Rottstock bei Brück (Kurmark);
A8/10 = Ernst Figge fromn Kleindrebnitz.
The others all lost their permission. I do not have time to check of others after that year were granted a new code-number.

The code A9 were at that moment only six manufacturers and A10 were thirteen manufacturers, twelve of them all came from the city of Schmölln,
Thüringen.

Wilhelm

[Jo_Rivett]

what do you think yourself?
Is a Begräbnisscherpe a leather button?
Everybody is able to pin on a tag to whatever product!
Hi Wilm
The Tag is Stamped by the Maker / Seller under the letter A, and NOT under the AB. So the tag could have been used for both. ( considering that A was for ausrüstung)The tag could also have been wrongly used for the Begräbnisscherpe.
An Official Begräbnisscherpe could be classed as Ausrüstung, especially in the beginning of the RZM system when there was Uncertainties as to what Mark etc to use. There is enough proof of this with other RZM Stamped items. The tag could also have been put on Post war.
Now THAT, is what i think :sneaky2:

[wilhelm saris]

It is soooooooooooo simple, but why making it so difficult?
It is A8 NOT AB. This A8 is the code for makers of leather-buttons. The second A is the price indication for the tag. That's the way it is, and not otherwise!
Apparently you don't understand the RZM-system as a fact, Joe. Sorry I have to say this! But knowing you, you will have another (your) answer for us, to explain how it is! There is no further reason to further discuss this matter, as how it is, it already was explained by Massimo. Period!

[Gew44]

Hello Massimo,

The 1938 code-lists included only four Lederknopf-manufacturers:
A8/1 = Ernst, Inhaber Helene Ernst, Witwe from Löbau;
A8/2 = Hans Schulz & Co from Oppach;
A8/6 = K.Streubel from Rottstock bei Brück (Kurmark);
A8/10 = Ernst Figge fromn Kleindrebnitz.
The others all lost their permission. I do not have time to check of others after that year were granted a new code-number.

The code A9 were at that moment only six manufacturers and A10 were thirteen manufacturers, twelve of them all came from the city of Schmölln,
Thüringen.

Wilhelm

Tnx Wilhelm,
attached the RZM 1935 list with the six factory names, listed by city.
Interesting is to know the other 4 factory who to get the total number = 10.

[Jo_Rivett]

Apparently you don't understand the RZM-system as a fact,
:lol::lol::lol::lol: now why does this answer from you NOT..surprise me
Massimo, THX....

btw..Wilm.. I agree with you that a Leather Button is NOT the same as a Begräbnisscherpe, i might be colorblind but i am not a F*****G muppet :angry:

[wilhelm saris]

Hello Massimo,

when I can find the time one of these days I will look for when numbers were added. Can you specify the names/numbers from those from the 1935-list, please?
I also may try to find out if others were added after 1938 or deleted from the list up through the end of 1944.