Manual german saw tool?

[Santi]

Hey guys. ;)

I hope you can help me out with this one.
I saw this item for sale. Let's see if you can enlight me here. Ever seen anything like this before? It is said to be german made, from WWII, in the description. For some reason, taking a look at the photo reminded me of the hand grenades, because of those wood sticks, they look pretty similar.

Any clue?

Thanks.

[Jo_Rivett]

Hey Santi. Yes for sure, this is exactly what it is, described properly too :biggrin: loosk like the chain from a Chainsaw used in the SAW movie series (:laugh:).

Here is a link (http://www.kpemig.de/Kavallerie-Tasche-fuer-rollbare-Saege-Deutsch-1Weltkrieg), to a Pouch, where this kind of saw would have been stored. The item featured is for a WWI pocket fold up saw, but i guess the WW2 pouches were the same.

[Santi]

Thanks a lot Jo.
So ..are you saying this is an original piece? Is it complete?
Do you know any photos featuring this saw in use? I can't imagine much uses. Was it used by the wehrmacht or just for sale to the general public?

For how much do these usually go for?

Thanks again.

[Jo_Rivett]

Thanks a lot Jo.
So ..are you saying this is an original piece? Is it complete?
Do you know any photos featuring this saw in use? I can't imagine much uses. Was it used by the wehrmacht or just for sale to the general public?

For how much do these usually go for?

Thanks again.
Santi, you can still buy similar roll-up pocket saws today. ► X (http://www.ronniesunshines.com/commando-bushcraft-survival-pocket-chain-p-849.html?osCsid=ce989059c1ff6c768491985bf7dbe025) ◄
I very much doubt it was only a Wehrmacht issue, Used more by Pioneers and RAD IMO.
But i guess it was a handy item to have, and did`nt take up much space.
No it does`nt look complete, the Case is missing :lol: I don't know about in-use pictures or prices.

[Santi]

Thanks a lot, Jo.
I will pass on it.
Thanks!

[Jo_Rivett]

Santi, here are pictures i took from a Book i have called Collecting Military Antiques, by Frederick Wilkinson (1976) and it shows the same saw, but as a British WW1 piece. !

[Santi]

Santi, here are pictures i took from a Book i have called Collecting Military Antiques, by Frederick Wilkinson (1976) and it shows the same saw, but as a British WW1 piece. !


Now that is interesting!

What is that "broad arrow" it mentions there? A missing piece or just an ID part? The one for sale doesn't seem to have it.
It looks quite complete considering it's from WWI.

[Jo_Rivett]

Now that is interesting!

What is that arrow it mentions there?

For setting the Saw Teeth. I just sent you a PM.

[Santi]

Here it is, now in my collection :D

Take a look at the marking...DELTAWERK.
So i imagine this is the german model and not a british one? Probably from WWI.

At it's full extend, the saw is 1,20 meters.
And VERY sharp. So sharp that it's scary.

[Jo_Rivett]

Here it is, now in my collection :D

Take a look at the marking...DELTAWERK.
So i imagine this is the german model and not a british one? Probably from WWI.

At it's full extend, the saw is 1,20 meters.
And VERY sharp. So sharp that it's scary.

Nice one :thumbup:
You could use it as "crowd control" the next time you find yourself in a crowded place and need some space, just start swinging it !!!!

[Santi]

:biggrin:

Jo, do you agree that it's german made and from WWI?

[Krullies]

Here it is, now in my collection :D

Take a look at the marking...DELTAWERK.
So i imagine this is the german model and not a british one? Probably from WWI.

At it's full extend, the saw is 1,20 meters.
And VERY sharp. So sharp that it's scary.

I simply LOVE that first image, Santi :thumbup: It looks as if it is happy to be in your collection :) Though it seems a little concerned as well, maybe, caused by Jo's remark, about crowd control? :laugh:

Anyway, awaiting Jo's response to it being German made, stemming from the years 1914-1918 ... Repeating the question so it doesn't get pushed backwards ... Jo?

[Santi]

haha you know..when i saw that photo, i also imagined it as a happy face haha, not that i ment it to be like that, it just happened. :D

[Jo_Rivett]

Santi, yeah i would say WW1, Deltawerk in Solingen. (not Deltawerken in Holland :biggrin:) The English WW1 example seems to be marked on the Saw fittings as well, so if this just says`deltawerk, i guess it did`nt come from Buckingham Palace.

Olifant i tell you !!!!!!!!

[Santi]

Santi, yeah i would say WW1, Deltawerk in Solingen. (not Deltawerken in Holland :biggrin:) The English WW1 example seems to be marked on the Saw fittings as well, so if this just says`deltawerk, i guess it did`nt come from Buckingham Palace.

:thumbup: Yeah that's what i also thought.
Thanks a lot! Im happy with my new toy. :001_wub:

Now i'm worried about conservation. Do you guys and girls :D have any clues on how should i preserve this piece? It does have some rust on it already. What about vaseline??

[Krullies]

Use acid (http://www.motorparts.nl/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=11586) free vaseline (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_all_Vaseline_acid_free), if you use that. Make sure the jar says so; NO acid whatsoever! It will eat through metal, given enough time.

Also, I'm not very knowledgeable in the conservation area, yet :blushing: I'm using Break Free (http://www.break-free.com/products/products_collectorliquid.asp?catalog=law) for my daggers. Well, both of them *LOL* I know, I'm the definition of newcomer :001_rolleyes:

Break Free is oil, also comes as clothes that you can use out of a pull-out-despenser, easy for nice and clean cutlery, but not so useful for that tooth-saw, especially since you mention it being SHARP! Capitals used intentionally :closedeyes: . Oil is cleaner to use than Vaseline, which gets all sticky and forms a "fat" layer.

But that's my 2 cents. More knowledgeable and experienced collectors might have better ideas. Oh, and I don't know about the wooden handles though! Do they need to be treated with gunstock oil?

[Santi]

When i searched for vaseline for my dagger, i asked about the acid free thing and nobody had a clue! I got one, nothing on the jar, but so far so good, i've been using it for a couple of years now and never had an issue with the dagger.
I will, nevertheless, seek more and see if i find a jar explicitely acid free.

Thanks for the tips, Karin.

[Krullies]

You're quite welcome Santi :) I had to pester numerous drug stores in order to obtain a jar. No one understood what I meant. Or perhaps they just didn't care. 99% of the people working there consists of unaware students or uninterested people. One little shop was the exception though. The girl there knew exactly what I was after. She used it herself for her baby (don't ask me how or why, I didn't ask) and her husband swore by the stuff for his engine parts. It's called Ginkel's Zuurvrije Vaseline ("zuurvrij" meaning acid free, its Dutch). Its this jar:

http://static.elcheapo.nl/fotos/183x160/2/1/2/8/ginkel-zuurvrije-vaseline-200ml-10432128.jpg

http://www.elcheapo.nl/lichaamsverzorging/ginkel/zuurvrije_vaseline_200ml/review

That information is all in Dutch, as is the brand Ginkel's I think, or perhaps its a Belgian brand. Should you need acid free vaseline, and you're utterly unable to lay hands on it, than ring my forum-bell, we'll figure something out to get a jar delivered at your door by your local delivery guy or gal. I'm told that Griffon products are also quite good;

http://www.griffon.nl/lang/eng_prod.html

I don't know it from experience, but the acid free vaseline in spray container sounds like an easy way to treat your saw.

How will you treat the handles?

[Santi]

Exactly!! No one from the drug stores i visited knew that vaseline had acid. They didn't understand me nor cared to.

I have no clue about the handles..it also has metal on it, so im guessing i have to take care of that too.

[Santi]

This is its new bed!!
I happen to have an addiction for making a display box for every item i have. Well, probably because i don't have so many ;)

I should have done a "then and now" photos of the box to show the make over i did on it. It was all pink on the inside, with other partitions inside. Probably for some perfumes or similar things. What i did was take out the extra partitions of the box, and kept only one, to separate the handles from the saw. I bought "rock paper" and glued it on the inside of the box, to make a cammon pattern. Finally, found two suitable plastic bags for them, just in case i put them in a bath of vaseline to preserve them, in order not to stain the box.

I think it looks cool now :D
Home made display über alles :lol:

[Krullies]

Very nice Santi! Oh my, that looks awesome! What is that paper you say? Rock paper? Is that printed rock? Or ... ? Anyway, it looks SO great! The seperation, it all looks as if it belongs like this. You're a craftsman :thumbup: I also vote for home made displays! :biggrin:

Very best regards,
Karin-Renate

[Santi]

Thanks a lot Karin!
It is a kind of paper which has a colour pattern similar to the ones found in rocks, in nature. It makes a good camo paper too.
I forgot to say that all the work put in this box was like 2-3 hours :D