Good or bad?? Opinions Please.

[StuG]

A friend has been offered this item for sale. It looks good to me, but I am not really into collecting SS stuff so would really appreciate any opinions. Any ideas on value? He is being offered this for about 140 Euros.Thank you.
Tom

[Felix]

It is a nice original tropical eagle and a bit more desireable because of the rzm paper tag.
Tropical eagles usually sell for USD 90-120. An eagle with paper tag should be slightly more expensive.

An ok price would be USD 140 and not E 140 IMHO.

//Felix

[Jo_Rivett]

The label is correct, and the price is about right too, if it`s authentic?...most of whats going round here is faked. Old fakes, new fakes, most with good labels too. No idea Tom, would be nice to hear a few pointers on what to look for to determine a Fake from the real Mac Coy

[Jo_Rivett]

An ok price would be USD 140 and not E 140 IMHO.


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[Felix]

That is very high price that I would not pay for a tropical eagle. Surely you can not use Collectors guild as a meeter of fair prices. Only if you do not care what you get for your hard earned money. Remember that these are common insignias.

I recommend that you put a wanted add on this forum or another, and I think you will be able to find a tropical eagle for around USD 100 or slightly above. A tagged one should go for not more than USD 150 IMHO. Follow the sales adds at the forums as well. These eagles are often for sale.

Cheers and good luck,
Felix

[StuG]

Thanks guys.:thumbup: IMO it isn't really a bad price for being able to get it in your hand. What with the postage costs these days and the losses that occur with relative frequency down here. I shall forward this good news to Malcolm and leave the final decision in his hands. Thanks once again.
Tom

[Jo_Rivett]

That is very high price that I would not pay for a tropical eagle. Surely you can not use Collectors guild as a meeter of fair prices.
Felix
Peters Prices are more or less OK. most items (esp. smalls) he will sell very reasonably, some higher end items, like the SS Cuff titles are priced way too high.
Please note Felix: The question was, How much is it worth, and i quoted the Market value, which is exactly what a piece like this, tagged and in good condition will fetch. Keep on watching Peters site and this (in your opinion overpriced item) will Sell. They will sell at shows for this price, they will sell on German Dealers sites for this price. The quoted price is realistic.

Now, what you think is a fair price, has little to do with the market value. Of course there will be cheaper ones come up for sale between collectors, here maybe, on WAF or a smaller auction site...... that`s part and parcel of doing trades/deals over the Forums/between friends, because you will sometimes get scarce, or good condition items for Less !

And then there`s the European-American Price Class`as well :001_cool:

[Niblet]

the beaks on the eagles appear different to me,,,am I seeing things??

I think peter stuff is GROSSLY overpriced,,for the most part,,BUT like Jo said..
it will sell so it doesnt matter what I think,,,I just dont visit his site often,,

quite a shame,,if he was more reasonable imho on prices,,I would perhaps shop there,,but I guess he doesnt have to lower the prices on my account,,they wil still sell,,, I think I will live to see the prices drop on this stuff I really do,,,
-Capt Egg Nog

[Jo_Rivett]

Tim, there is a lot on his site that is under priced, and cheaper than what i can get here.
Sadly though, the high end items have a premium price whacked on them.

He had 4 NSDAP Membership books up in Great condition this year, all with photo and entries, around the 3 million number. And he sold them for between $200 and $265.- each. Take a butchers at any other site, German of American, and the prices are $300-500 each !

OK Tim and Felix, if this SS sleeve eagle on Peters site is Overpriced, provide a link or two, to the identical item for sale anywhere that is on sale at the moment for $100-140.- :w00t:

Tim, Peters Site is good for reference proposes, and depending what you are looking for, there are bargains to be made there.

As for your comment on the Beek ?' i don't know, that`s why i said at the beginning, it would be Great, if someone who knows what they are talking about, could provide us with a few pointers as to what to look for when determining the authenticity. Posts like Yes that's original don't help poor undereducated people like me, when ever i add my 5 cents, i always try and explain why, instead of just saying Yes or No.

[Niblet]

OK Tim and Felix, if this SS sleeve eagle on Peters site is Overpriced, provide a link or two, to the identical item for sale anywhere that is on sale at the moment for $100-140.-


Well you got me there,,,but remember the "luft radio" discussion??
He was selling his example for nearly 3000.00 dollars!!!!!!!!!:scared:

and we dont really know if these are even legitimate pieces??

that kind of pricing scares me off,,,,

Oal leaf militaria had one for about the same price,,,,,

I had a deal worked out for minty one from a private collector for 800.00
but decided to pass,,,,too many questions not enough evidence from me,,and some advice from advanced collector freinds,, :thumbup1:

Capt Egg Nog is heading to bed!:ohmy:

[Jo_Rivett]

Going to bed? at 08:40 ? oh, i forgot, NC aint just over the road :wink:
Yes, more info on what to look for would be be helpful.... easily faked i guess, and a paper tag is only a paper tag...

As far as i know, Peter sells on commission too? so maybe the exorbitant prices are just him being greedy. Oak leaf has some crazy prices too, and i dont think he shifts that much either.

[Felix]

[QUOTE=Jo_Rivett;41360]
OK Tim and Felix, if this SS sleeve eagle on Peters site is Overpriced, provide a link or two, to the identical item for sale anywhere that is on sale at the moment for $100-140.- :w00t:

Tim, Peters Site is good for reference proposes, and depending what you are looking for, there are bargains to be made there.
QUOTE]

Ok, it is not my business what people want to pay for their items.
My own thinking is that I want to pay good or fair prices. Most dealers have higher prices than private sales. I very selldom pay what is "market" price for items. Maybe, that is me being greedy, but I really try to manage my cash in a smart way.
So, that is why I recommend others to do the same.
When shopping it is important to be smart and look around and use all possible channels. Lazy people go to the top dealers and buy items that are readily available and easy to buy from a nice web page. That is fine for the lazy.

I would have prefered to get two tropical birds instead of paying for one way overpriced eagle at Collectors guild.
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=387975&highlight=SS+tropical+sleeve+eagle

http://www.therupturedduck.com/WebPages/Cloth/c403.htm

Just some examples that took me 10 minutes to find. There are plenty of others.

One for sale right now with paper tag for USD 145.
http://www.svmilitaria.com/GermanWWIIInsignia1.htm

Be smart, and you can have more for less price.

In the end, it is up to each individual what value to get for the money spent.

Cheers,
Felix

[Jo_Rivett]

[QUOTE=Jo_Rivett;41360]
OK Tim and Felix, if this SS sleeve eagle on Peters site is Overpriced, provide a link or two, to the identical item for sale anywhere that is on sale at the moment for $100-140.- :w00t:

Tim, Peters Site is good for reference proposes, and depending what you are looking for, there are bargains to be made there.
QUOTE]

Ok, it is not my business what people want to pay for their items.
My own thinking is that I want to pay good or fair prices. Most dealers have higher prices than private sales. I very selldom pay what is "market" price for items. Maybe, that is me being greedy, but I really try to manage my cash in a smart way.
So, that is why I recommend others to do the same.
When shopping it is important to be smart and look around and use all possible channels. Lazy people go to the top dealers and buy items that are readily available and easy to buy from a nice web page. That is fine for the lazy.

I would have prefered to get two tropical birds instead of paying for one way overpriced eagle at Collectors guild.
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=387975&highlight=SS+tropical+sleeve+eagle

http://www.therupturedduck.com/WebPages/Cloth/c403.htm

Just some examples that took me 10 minutes to find. There are plenty of others.

One for sale right now with paper tag for USD 145.
http://www.svmilitaria.com/GermanWWIIInsignia1.htm

Be smart, and you can have more for less price.

In the end, it is up to each individual what value to get for the money spent.

Cheers,
Felix

Hi Felix. Yes you are right.
Firstly, Sheas is not in the same price class, and svmilitarias`does not look right IMO. I have found more than 1 item on his site, way under priced and not right. It`s a site i have been looking at for a few years now, and what i have noticed is that many items get put on Hold, and then later either not sold, or returned and end up on the site again for less.
Not a site i would want to buy from myself.

Of course shopping around helps, and if you wait, a bargain will come along, that was not the question though at the start of the thread.

Felix: Maybe you will answer my question now? How does one tell the difference between a Modern Fake, and the Real mac Coy? you seemed sure enough to be able to say that the first example was OK, and seem sure that the two to which you have provided links, are also Good, ? So what details determines a Fake from a period piece? Lets not even talk about labels as they are available on Ebay by the box load, or through mail-order from Poland.

[Ian Hulley]

Regarding The Guild I consider their prices typical 'Retail' and therefore 30>40% above collector to collector sale value, allowing a trading profit margin.

Ian

[Jo_Rivett]

Hi Ian, yes for sure, and he always manages to sell the items too. (Maybe not for the price we see? i know some dealers leave higher prices up) But i have to agree with the others here too, some of his stuff has fantasy prices on.

[Ian Hulley]

It's only a fantasy price till someone pays it :ohmy: Back when I was collecting we never dreamed of the prices you guys pay today.

Ian.

[Jo_Rivett]

It's only a fantasy price till someone pays it :ohmy: Back when I was collecting we never dreamed of the prices you guys pay today.

Ian.
So True Ian. These here ► link (http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Political/photos/N012658.html) ◄ are up on his site for $2,350.- i put the same set of patterns up here on the Estand, for $300.-... and there were no takers.

The problem with our hobby today Ian, is that there are lots of new, novice millionaire collectors, who want a wall full of Daggers in 2 days, and without knowing anything, will shop around on the net, and click Buy buy buy, because they can, because an extra 10K here or there is pocket change for them. So you are right, what is total Fantasy for us, will be OK for someone else.