New Book From Wilhelm P.B.R Saris, [Archive]

Weibliche

6th October 2009, 02:34

My copy arrived today as well. This is the copy that I won in Wim's earlier contest thread. I have only had a few moments to look through it but it looks wonderful!:001_wub:

So I was thinking...let's have some fun with this...I have copy #8...what number do you have?

Chrys

Frank Booth

6th October 2009, 11:43

Chrys, I have copy number 10.

wilhelm saris

8th October 2009, 14:08

Would like to inform that books are now coming available in Europe to.
Got in today my shipment. In my opinion I may say it looks great, this
"whopper" of a book.
For those interested: nr.1 is mine; 2 mr.Roger Bender; 3. Philippe Gillain and 4 Jeff Hammond.

thanks friends

M. Lupus

8th October 2009, 18:36

And I'm honored to add nr. 5 to my bookshelf. Really appreciate the “Saris” cuff title that came with the book as a page indicator. Thanks buddy! You did a great job as an author and Roger as a publisher. Not to forget Philippe and Jeff.
Must say I can’t wait to see the upcoming book about “Wall Plaques”.
So to the numbers: that leaves us with nr. 6, 7 and 9...
Mathieu

Frank Booth

9th October 2009, 03:06

My main focus and interest is shoulder straps of the HJ. This area has not really been covered in a lot of detail until this book. I've not really had the time to read a lot of it, but have enjoyed what I have seen on the HJ straps so far. The book will have a permanent place in my reference library and I am sure I will consult it many times. :)

M. Lupus

9th October 2009, 10:36

I have informed myself and know that nr. 6 is in the possession of mr.David Delich (USA) and nr.7 owns mr. Mike Shaner (also USA).

wilhelm saris

9th October 2009, 12:23

I must have had a "black-out" when writing and checking the lay-out:
page 15 in the text I write in the first line "upper left arm"; with the caption however I say "right". This I must have overseen as it of course should be left.
My sincere excuses!

Frank Booth

9th October 2009, 23:41

Wim, no excuses neccessary. With a book this large a minor typographic error or two is expected.

Weibliche

11th October 2009, 20:41

Hi guys~

Well, we now know where the first 10 reside...I am sure they will be put to good use.

Here is the bookmark that Wim sent me. I know of only two others in the US that got one, that being Mr. Bender and Jeff Hammond. I consider it an honor and a nice gesture by Wim for winning his HJ contest.

Thanks again Wim!:)

Frank Booth

12th October 2009, 01:48

Nice addition to the book Chrys. Paul Ayerst got number 12.

Frank Booth

14th October 2009, 00:07

Many thanks to Wim for sending me a personal dedictation for my book.

PAUL AYERST

14th October 2009, 03:18

YES I got volume 12. As my interest in HJ collecting is mainly the triangles this book is the Bible and watch the prices soar.

Mr. Saris could I get your permission to discuss the two trainagles on pages 422 and 425 which you did the conception of appearance on the HJ forum.
Will be indeed very interesting to see how soon these show up on the market

PAUL

wilhelm saris

14th October 2009, 06:48

Send me a PM

PAUL AYERST

14th October 2009, 21:04

PM sent thanks

PAUL

wilhelm saris

16th October 2009, 17:13

I said I would not post anymore, but I think it is needed to politely
"interfere" about post 15 from mr.Ayerst. He posted his question at WWM,
so for me it is clear he should discuss it here and not at the HJ-forum. I have told him so. Most members from that HJ-forum, are also members at WWM. So!

He asked to discuss the triangles "Bann Binnenschiffahrt" and "Bann Seefahrt" as apparently the one or the other "expert" from that forum questions if these triangles actually were made. I did include photographs of wearing the triangles in my Handbook. With that it is obvious they were manufactured.

I will post my mailings, which I have send to Ayerst, so all people may know what I wrote him. This to avoid any misunderstandings to what I have said and mailed him.
Additionally included are parts of the announcement for the creation of these HJ sub-organizations he got from me.
With a seperate post you can see the photographs from pages 424 and 427 with some enlargements.
I think there is not further reason for a discussion if they actually are made and my note to Ayerst tells enough I think!

I will not further go into discussion about what I have written in my handbook. See my footnotes. All what is said comes from actual sources and information.
See for yourself, as in my opinion there is not need to talk about "actual manufacturing".

wilhelm saris

16th October 2009, 17:23

The photographs and enlargements:

a) the lad with his sister: with his cap the tally is worn as mentioned in the part of the announcement; with the enlargement one can slightly read the upper word = Bann, so it must be obvious the longer word is Binnenschiffahrt;
b) the grouping with Axmann: you simply can read the full words with the
triangle.
From another photograph, the one I mention which I was not allowed to show, one can read the tally as mentioned in the announcement.

I will not further discuss any matter from my book, as I know what I write,
as I have done my research. And mr. Bender has done a wonderful job to make a perfect book out of my material.
I always have said I would write about triangles and shoulder-straps and would not included all insignia from the HJ. With my 784 pages it is obvious it would have become a multiple series and that is not for what I do have time,
as have some other books I am working on and prepairing to finish.
For the other insignia one can consult the books from Philip Baker, David Littlehohn and John R.Angolia.

PAUL AYERST

16th October 2009, 19:00

Many thanks to Wim for sending me a personal dedictation for my book.

Hmm : GUESS I am not on the christmas list. Anyhow thanks for the detailed clarification . MR SARIS

Paul

Weibliche

16th October 2009, 19:50

Hmm : GUESS I am not on the christmas list. Anyhow thanks for the detailed clarification . MR SARIS

Paul

.....I guess it depends if you've been naughty or nice!......Ho..Ho..Ho.....:lol:

PAUL AYERST

16th October 2009, 19:59

ya just a lump of COAL for me :sad::sad:

Garry M.

17th October 2009, 02:24

He asked to discuss the triangles "Bann Binnenschiffahrt" and "Bann Seefahrt" as apparently the one or the other "expert" from that forum questions if these triangles actually were made

I rarely post here but would you mind pointing out where that was discussed on the HJ forum? You profess not to visit the forum so how would you know anyway? The info on Bann BS and Bann S triangles has been on the HJ forum for months. Finding period sources is not the black art you make it out to be Wim..

Weibliche

17th October 2009, 05:47

I rarely post here but would you mind pointing out where that was discussed on the HJ forum? You profess not to visit the forum so how would you know anyway? The info on Bann BS and Bann S triangles has been on the HJ forum for months. Finding period sources is not the black art you make it out to be Wim..

Good thing Wim didn't go with that picture of himself on the back of the book....he would have looked ridiculous in that black cape pulling a rabbit out of his top hat!:lol:

Jo_Rivett

17th October 2009, 12:22

Finding period sources is not the black art you make it out to be Wim..
That`s it...i knew it, Wim & Kimmel are "in" this together...it`s VOODOO !

Garry M.

17th October 2009, 16:53

The point stands. I'm not going to have the HJ forum bad-mouthed like this by Saris when the subject at hand is a private discussion over which neither I nor my forum has any control. There is no thread on the HJ forum where disagreement is being expressed on the matter of Saris' opinion of Bann BS and Bann S triangles.

Jo_Rivett

17th October 2009, 17:37

The point stands. I'm not going to have the HJ forum bad-mouthed like this by Saris .
Hi GarryM. I dont know who you are, or what "Point" you are referring to here, but how this:
Most members from that HJ-forum, are also members at WWM. So!
gets rated in your books as "Saris Bad-mouthing" your Forum, is beyond me.:confused::confused::confused:

Garry M.

17th October 2009, 19:38

You clearly can't read and although no-one but yourself can stop you from posting this actually has nothing to do with you.

Jo_Rivett

17th October 2009, 21:10

You clearly can't read and although no-one but yourself can stop you from posting this actually has nothing to do with you.
You are clearly on a war path with Wilhelm here. I don't appreciate your insults at all, and suggest that you take yourself back to your Forum, Dalli Dalli !.. where things are obviously better.
There is not a single post from anyone on this thread that is in any way Bad mouthing your Forum, so either think before you post next time, or don't post.

StuG

18th October 2009, 00:15

Hear, hear. I have gone through this thread three times and still cannot find the source of this unpleasantness. Clearly certain persons have taken umbrage to a perceived and not a real insult. I suggest that the thread is reread carefully before allegations are thrown around. I will probably be told that this has nothing to do with me, but that is my 2 cents worth anyway.
Tom

Wim Vangossum

18th October 2009, 08:24

Dear fellow's

Please stop using this thread to start smashing on each others head a bit. :thumbdown:

I see too many well educated reseachers are involved here and that's a waist of quality. And spoken about educated researchers: that includes also new member Garry.

Maybe we have to create a special sub forum were all you high ranking experts can have a nice fight with each other :blink:

Regards, Wim :)

Garry M.

18th October 2009, 08:25

@Mr/Ms Rivet: check your post (19:37). That is why you got a less than friendly one in return. You're wrong again by the way. You've already admitted that you don't know me so successfully second-guessing my motives with any accuracy is always going to be difficult for you.

@stug. Why all the impersonal third party speak? That's part of the reason people often get unfriendly answers on the internet. The word you were looking for was 'implication'. Saris made an implication which I was unhappy to leave unanswered.

I took the matter to email with him and it is now resolved so yes, I will indeed now be returning to the HJ forum Mr/Ms Rivet.

Garry M.

18th October 2009, 08:27

My apologies Wim. Your post would have been a more fitting end to this little diversion but I was still writing as you posted :)

Wim Vangossum

18th October 2009, 14:09

No problem, Garry. :closedeyes:

If you don't post here anymore I 'll see you at the HJ forum. :wink:

Regards, Wim :)

Jo_Rivett

18th October 2009, 14:48

I will indeed now be returning to the HJ forum
Roger That:wink:

Frank Booth

18th October 2009, 16:46

Anyway, back to the original subject of the thread. The A4 RZM manufacturers lists are fantastic. Thanks to Wim for compiling and publishing this information which has long been a mystery to me.

Jo_Rivett

18th October 2009, 17:21

I`m going to give in and order one... from what i`ve heard, it`s obviously a good investment.

wilhelm saris

6th February 2010, 03:19

See and read the both attachments, relating to a made mistake in my "Handbook of the Hitler-Jugend".

best regards and once again my excuses,

Wilhelm Saris

Weibliche

6th February 2010, 03:33

It's a never ending battle Wim...you stick your neck out there to share your knowledge...only to have a 'few' try and find any little error so they can lop it off!...I appreciate the efforts...even if some don't...:biggrin:

Let them eat cake I say!:w00t:

Chrys

Jo_Rivett

6th February 2010, 08:58

...only to have a 'few' try and find any little error so they can lop it off!..
That`s life Chrys. Always one Ant in the ointment.... I did go over for a look on "that other Forum" in the end, and glad i did, Never seen so much Rubbish since Ogrish.com. (Cross-posting, kindergarten Grammar and the same few Patting each others backs all the time over girly giggles) After you`ve read the Few threads over there on Wilms Book, you can see that a few Grizzly bear impersonators have been out to Ruin it before it was even issued.

Fair play though, that`s the other side of the Hobby, some get on, & some simply don't & will be waiting for any excuse to open their Cake Holes and have their moment of Internet-Fame.

Frank Booth

6th February 2010, 13:42

Wim, I'm sure that you have done your best. A minor oversight or two is bound to happen with a large volume work like this. No apology is neccessary. I enjoy the book and consult it often. In fact it recently helped me to solve a question regarding an NPEA Jungmann Gruppenfuhrer strap and a set of gold embroidered Obberbannfuhrer straps. Information that has just not been shown or discussed in any of the other references on the HJ that I have.

Richard Kimmel

6th February 2010, 16:25

That`s it...i knew it, Wim & Kimmel are "in" this together...it`s VOODOO !

Jo ... Why connect my name with Saris?

Think about what I'm going to say -- most militaraia books, in one way or another, simply mirror each other. Especially those on the same subject. A mix of possibly new information, if there really is new information, some old information rewritten and stirred into the witches caldron some with the secret ingredent "opinions" and wala, a new militaria book.The only difference is that some are more costly than others.

I'm sure that this may be a good book, as militaria books go.

Weibliche

6th February 2010, 16:38

Jo ... Why connect my name with Saris?

Think about what I'm going to say -- most militaraia books, in one way or another, simply mirror each other. Especially those on the same subject. A mix of possibly new information, if there really is new information, some old information rewritten and stirred into the witches caldron some with the secret ingredent "opinions" and wala, a new militaria book.The only difference is that some are more costly than others.

I'm sure that this may be a good book, as militaria books go.

Seriously? I mean Richard...this was posted 5 months ago...what purpose does this serve to be rehashed now? :confused1:

Richard Kimmel

6th February 2010, 16:42

Seriously? I mean Richard...this was posted 5 months ago...what purpose does this serve to be rehashed now? :confused1:

Just now read this topic and saw my name mentioned for no reason.

Jo_Rivett

6th February 2010, 18:14

he he hee, i think (my brain has trouble remembering anything older than a week) it had to do with Voodoo..... possibly referring to another thread we were on about at the same time..a Ghostly thread of some sorts..... BUT.. if i may quote you from a thread last week Richard, "Any publicity is good, as long as we spell your name correctly :w00t:"

Richard Kimmel

6th February 2010, 18:26