Reichsbahn Wasserschutzpolizei Visor

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If anyone has pics of this organisation, they would be greatly appreciated.

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Interior logo:

[wilhelm saris]

Reichsbahn-Wasserschutzpolizei? What could that be?
In my opinion such an organization does not existm as the Reichsbahn does not have to do with Wasserschutzpolizei. Within the Reichsbahn did exist a section Schiffahrt, but the color for their cap was a darker-blue.

But the indication in the inner Reichsbahn tells me this might be a cap as used by a Reichsbahn-Kraftfahrer, merely while to color is blue-grey and not blue.

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Here the announcement for the Reichsbahn-drivers

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I have had a look in my list of manufacturers for headgear, but this name is not mentioned with those that were allowed to manufacturer for the Reichszeugmeisterei.
Not totally uncommon, as not all manufacturers did produce for the RZM. Another example is: Dalugue or something like that from Braunschweig, carrying a bear in their logo. This bear stands for fur, as they were originally a manufacturer for fur headgear. During the war they produced also for other organizations (for example NSKK transportation-formation, related to the airforce).

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Wim--
The DRB-WSP did exist, as they even had their own dagger. Apparently, they were responsible for the shipment of rolling stock by sea, mostly around Denmark. They were absorbed into the Bahnschutzpolizei in 1941.
Here is a DRB-WSP dagger, as featured in the Eickhorn Kundendienst of 1941 (apparently, there are only about 6 of these daggers in the world, so the organisation had to be very small):

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Here is a gold prototype REB-WSP dagger:

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Here is a Meister-level WSP compared to my NCO RB-WSP. Both have navy-blue wool tops with the ribbed mohair wool band:

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Going by the fact that this organisation did exist, and the fact that the hat I have is RB Kleiderkasse marked, and is a naval-style cap (peak, band, navy-blue top), I am presuming that, by a process of elimination, this hat is for the RB-WSP. But, I am open to any information one way or another, and I very much appreciate your reply to this thread.

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WIm--the hat is a dark navy, the camera flash is lightening it up a bit.

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Wim--
Here is another pre-war Drechsler logo:

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It appears that after the war, they were absorbed by another company:

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Wim--

Here is a Drechsler made Forstdienst visor from 1936:

[wilhelm saris]

Hello,

I do not know where you got that DRB-WSP information from, but in NONE
of my Reichsbahn regulations - and I have a lot of that material - there is anything said about a connection. Believe me I know my regulations. I know that in the past occasionally this mistake was made. Further this/these mistake(s) was taken over by others.
Show me a document where the connection is mentioned and I admit I was wrong!

[wilhelm saris]

I checked Eickhorn and indeed they mention with article-number 1745 a Reichsbahn-Wasserschutzpolizei dagger, classified with the Bahnschutz.
Strange that in no regulation whatsoever they mentioned the existance of such sub-organization.
This fact neither is known by a well-known Bahnschutz-expert, mr Balzert, who has done a lot of research on Bahnschutz.

[wilhelm saris]

I will try to check this matter with a group of Reichsbahn-collectors in Germany and ask them what they know about that DRB-WSP group. I also will ask this some of my police-contacts.
When something turns up, I will let you know. But it can take a while before some will answer, as most of the DRB guys do not have Internet!

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I will try to check this matter with a group of Reichsbahn-collectors in Germany and ask them what they know about that DRB-WSP group. I also will ask this some of my police-contacts.
When something turns up, I will let you know. But it can take a while before some will answer, as most of the DRB guys do not have Internet!

Thank-you, Wim, and no hurry. I figured if anyone could help me out, it would be you. (& if the hat is for some other DRB organisation, I would not be disappointed.)

[wilhelm saris]

the color bothers me, otherwise I would immediately have said DRB-driver.
Dark-blue you mention.
The insignia is exactly as what should be positioned, cockade and the last version of state eagle (DRB), also the cap band is as should be.

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Wim, even the dagger guys don't seem to have any information.
In any event, it appears Drechsler did make WH visors--here is one for Artillerie:

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Close up--their products were no where near the quality of their nearby neighbor, August Muller:

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More information to be found on the rare Railway Water Protection Dagger.

Dutch


http://germandressdaggers.com/Railway%20Water%20Protection.htm

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This hat is being sold on the Oakleaf site, and is mis-identified as a Reichsbahn-wasserschutz-polizei visor. I cannot vouch as to whether it is real or not, but it would actually be for the Hochseefahrdienst, or High Seas Ferry Service. I have also seen these caps identified as Reichsbahn Schiffahrt visors. This insignia is peculiar to only this organisation.

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The chincord appears to be incorrect, as my understanding is that the Ferry Service used a leather chinstrap. The cords appear to be of East German manufacture, and the blue in the cords is a shade too light (imho):

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For reference, the DDR also had a Ferry service, and their insignia was similar to it's Third Reich counterpart:

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Well, I don't know if anyone cares about DRB over here, but this is an example of learning something new in this hobby every day, and teaching an old dog new tricks. There is a third DRB water-related organisation, the Hochsee und Bodenseeschiffahrt.

It is also known as the RKS, or the Reichs-Kusten Schiff. Here is an officer (unfortunately, no visor):

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Here is another view:

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Em of this very obscure organisation:

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Here is an example of the rare Hochseefahrtdienst white-top visor, just for reference:

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Close-up of the insignia: