Gallery of Fake Gold Party Badges

[StephenL]

With all the fake Gold Party Badges in circulation, the idea of this thread is to provide a quick reference to known fakes.

I'll start with the most common fake of the large Deschler badge. The front details are poor, and the back is usually found with the same military pin and 3-4 digit hand-stamped number.

[StephenL]

The small Jos. Fuess badge has had several convincing fakes in recent years. Here is one of the most recent versions of the fake Fuess. The pinplate shows puffiness around the maker name which is characteristic of a fake, and the front has the uniform thickness of the lettering only seen in fakes.

[StephenL]

Here are better photos of the most common fake Deschler. Even though there are significant differences between it and a real one, I am still asked for opinions on this type of badge all the time.

Easiest ways to spot it (aside from overall look) is that the leaves are badly formed with raised centre spines, and there are too many of them. Real large badges have only 9 leaves per side. This one has 10. If it has more than 9 leaves per side (or 8 for the small Deschler / 7 for the Fuess), then it is a fake.

Another easy to spot difference is the "O" in "SOZIALISTICHE". In real badges it should be round. Here on the fake it is oval.

Lots of other problems - bad enamel, chunky lettering - but these badges still keep getting sold (and bought) as orginals.

[StephenL]

Here is a common back for these fake Deschler badges - with hand-stamped numbers, the unused horizontal pin bar and odd maker mark. This one seems to have the pin catch coming through a slot in the back.

[StephenL]

Gold Party Badges should never have an RZM mark. The RZM was not involved in any way with the GPB, and the RZM mark is added by fakers to catch the unwary.

I've seen several with different RZM-type marks. Here is a common one.

[StephenL]

Here's another, this time with a bigger RZM logo, and "BERLIN 1935" added in raised letters for some reason.

[StephenL]

Here are some of the most convincing fakes to recently surface. The reverse is almost always engraved on the large badge and the companion small Fuess is stamped, but you'll see it is stamped too hard causing distortions around the numbers.

[StephenL]

Here is a look at the recent generation of large fake Deschlers. The red enamel is not quite right and the leaves have too much definition. On the back, the pinplate is not quite right.

[StephenL]

This is the recent fake Fuess badge (alo shown in post #2 above). This version has the lines over the leaves, thick uniform letters on the front, the heavily stamped numbers on the reverse and a poorly-done pinplate.

[StephenL]

Here is another fake "Fuess" badge. Not even close, but still often fools new collectors.

[StephenL]

The controversial "Austrian 1980s" fake Fuess badge, distinguished by the thick, even lettering on the front. Genuine Fuess badges have uneven thin letters, with spike-like letter "I"s and a square-topped "P" in "DAP".

Determining these were bad too some detective work and good luck. A "show-and-tell" on another forum turned up several with the same number. These often have repeating numbers, especially 3s, 6s and 9s. The "C" in "MUNCHEN" on the pinplate is too tall - not round like on originals.

They reportedly appeared first in Austria in the 1980s.

Interestingly, the new fakes of this badge (see post #2 and #9) seem to have used this fake as the pattern for their new fakes, copying the incorrect thick lettering on the front. They are definitely not from the same die, as the more recent fakes have the lines overprinting the oakleaves.

[StephenL]

Here is what the incorrect overprinted lines look like on the recent Fuess copies. These lines should never appear on real Fuess badges.

It is possible that this error has now been corrected in some newer fakes, but they still have the wrong lettering on the front.

[Simno]

Here are some of the most convincing fakes to recently surface. The reverse is almost always engraved on the large badge and the companion small Fuess is stamped, but you'll see it is stamped too hard causing distortions around the numbers.
Hello there, I'm a new member to this forum and whilst this may defeat the object of this thread somewhat - I'd like to know where exactly I could obtain this most accurate replica set? An original party badge is far beyond my budget but I'd like the most convincing of replicas to complete a grouping! If anyone could help I'd appreciate it :)
Cheers

[StephenL]

They come up sometimes on the junk auction sites, like www.epier.com.

[StephenL]

Here is another modern fake set, this time withe the military pin back, paired with the small fake Fuess with the lines over the leaves.

[StephenL]

More detail photos. Note the dark enamel and over-detailed wreath on the large badge.

[StephenL]

Little quiet around here, so I thought I'd post some of the photos of bad badges that are sent to me for review through my website. They range from the odd to the terrible.

The first is one I've never seen before, with a screw back and RZM mark (but no number). A lot of work went into this one.

[StephenL]

Here's another one that's trying to be a small Deschler (I just said a week or two ago I hadn't seen a fake small Deschler). Luckily the wreath is terrible.

[StephenL]

Here's a shiny one with a low number. The enamel work is getting nicer (still not right in the details, but the enamel is well made). The wreath is again funny looking.

It has a small pinplate and low number. A lot of these recent fakes don't even try to silver the letter on the front.

It looks like it was made yesterday, because it probably was.

[StephenL]

Here's a muddy looking one with poor details. I think I bought one like this from WWII Inc. back in the 1970s for $5.

[StephenL]

Here's the older fake Fuess badge, easily identifiable because of the raised name and not having anything in common with real Fuess badges.

[StephenL]

This wins the award for the ugliest fake I've ever seen. it looks like it was made in someone's basement.

[StephenL]

Here's another fake screw post badge.

[StephenL]

Here's one I've never seen before. It looks like the wreath is gilded aluminum and the centerpiece is a regular party badge (no white edge). I'm not sure what's up with the enamel / paint. The oakleaves are odd, as they are layered.

The wreath actually looks like it might be from a cannibalized tinnie. Anyone recognize it?

Oh yes, and the seller on a Danish auction site (although the seller is in the US) says this was "Hitler's Gold Party Badge".

[Reich-Looter]

The below badge was bought by me at a garage sale about 6 years ago for under $20. It is a very convincing fake until researched. So again beware there are a ton of fakes out there. On this badge the "O"'s are wrong, they are oblong and should be more round. The leaves have veins they shouldn't have and ther are to many leaves also the "-" between the L and the S should be overtop the "L"'s leg. This is a 30.5 mm badge. The only makers of the Golden Party Badge were the firms Joseph Fuess and Deschler & Sohn, both located in Munich.

[Jo_Rivett]

And another. (was sold as Original:angry:)
The best part is the auction description, he writes "I bought it 15 years ago as original" well i know this youngster, and he is only 25 !
27252

[der-hase-fee]

diskussion:
http://www.worldwarmilitaria.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5183

[Jo_Rivett]

For sale as Original, for $135.- :scared:

[der-hase-fee]

discussion: http://www.worldwarmilitaria.com/forum/showthread.php?p=37524&posted=1#post37524

[der-hase-fee]

Another one, pretty good, though:

[Jo_Rivett]

# 1.

[StuG]

The Tinnie referred to by Stephen L in post #24 is the WHW 1935-36 Hitler tinnie, shown below.
Tom

[der-hase-fee]

http://www.best-antiques.com/german/item.php?id=48905

[Jo_Rivett]

http://www.best-antiques.com/german/item.php?id=48905
Hase-Fee, i asked a good friend of mine to pull the pictures so i could show them here.
The seller is of course the Owner of the auction house, Herr Afrikaheld, and the bidders will either be Him, under one of his 35,000 usernames, or one of his gimps. I dont see how anyone can fall for this? but u know the saying, There`s one born every day :w00t:

[der-hase-fee]

Hase-Fee, i asked a good friend of mine to pull the pictures so i could show them here.
The seller is of course the Owner of the auction house, Herr Afrikaheld, and the bidders will either be Him, under one of his 35,000 usernames, or one of his gimps. I dont see how anyone can fall for this? but u know the saying, There`s one born every day :w00t:

It even comes with a guarantee ! Sent the Held von Afrika an email stating the obvious fact. Don't really expect a response, but who knows ?

[Jo_Rivett]

It even comes with a guarantee ! Sent the Held von Afrika an email stating the obvious fact. Don't really expect a response, but who knows ?
You wont get an answer from him, He knows that he sells fakes, he does this on purpose.....As far as German dealers go, he is thee most crooked. One only needs to tap his name and the words Fraud, Crook, Deceiver; Thief, into Google, and look what comes up. He will have a Fakers workshop like the others, and i`m sure good connections in the east.

[StephenL]

The Tinnie referred to by Stephen L in post #24 is the WHW 1935-36 Hitler tinnie, shown below.
Tom

That's the one!

[der-hase-fee]

http://gunbid.info/auction_details.php?auction_search=1&auction_id=127907

For future reference:

[der-hase-fee]

Matching pair of 30mm & 25mm size NSDAP Gold Party Badges to a high ranking member of the NSDAP & SS. The large has most the gilt remaining to the obverse with no damage to the enamel badge.The back has the political style saftypin and hook and marked with his number 15067.The pin plate maker marked Deschler & Sohn Munchen 9. The smaller badge is maker marked by Jos Fuess Munchen 9 and once again the party number 15067. The gilt & enamel are very good.This is the 2nd lot of items from the Eberstein family and another chance to obtain items from a high member of the NSDAP Party.

[StephenL]

Matching pair of 30mm & 25mm size NSDAP Gold Party Badges to a high ranking member of the NSDAP & SS. The large has most the gilt remaining to the obverse with no damage to the enamel badge.The back has the political style saftypin and hook and marked with his number 15067.The pin plate maker marked Deschler & Sohn Munchen 9. The smaller badge is maker marked by Jos Fuess Munchen 9 and once again the party number 15067. The gilt & enamel are very good.This is the 2nd lot of items from the Eberstein family and another chance to obtain items from a high member of the NSDAP Party.

That's a typical fake set from the early 2000s. These pairs started showing up numbered to people in the SS Dienstaltersliste with the large badge rotograved and the small Fuess with the tall "C" in "MUNCHEN" pinplate.

Still taking people in.

[Jo_Rivett]

Another one

[der-hase-fee]

Discussed here: http://www.worldwarmilitaria.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5796

[der-hase-fee]

http://shop.gun.sk/product_info.php?products_id=2455

[Jo_Rivett]

http://shop.gun.sk/product_info.php?products_id=2455

Hase, i believe ALL of Svetos GPB are fake ?? no... shame really, when you look at his site.. lots of really expensive Fakes! I know Sveto well, really well, on a personal level for a long time... and can tell you that he is a Gentleman, except..well, that should be obvious when you see his offerings. Do you have any of the books he wrote? if not, i could upload some pics.

[der-hase-fee]

Hase, i believe ALL of Svetos GPB are fake ?? no... shame really, when you look at his site.. lots of really expensive Fakes! I know Sveto well, really well, on a personal level for a long time... and can tell you that he is a Gentleman, except..well, that should be obvious when you see his offerings. Do you have any of the books he wrote? if not, i could upload some pics.

No, sorry, I wasn't even aware he's writing books. But I was getting suspicious when I saw his many pages of high end offerings. I placed a link to his Gau Wartheland badge on WAF, because the engraving on its back is so "not German". Appreciate the warning, though, I believe one can get fooled looking at all this "desirable" stuff !

[Jo_Rivett]

No, sorry, I wasn't even aware he's writing books. But I was getting suspicious when I saw his many pages of high end offerings. I placed a link to his Gau Wartheland badge on WAF, because the engraving on its back is so "not German". Appreciate the warning, though, I believe one can get fooled looking at all this "desirable" stuff !
The biggest tragety is, There will obviously be a few Good Authentic pieces in with the rest of the cr4p on his site, but most people wont find them, because after looking at his $ 20,000 Fake items most never go back to the site. Yes he has written a few Books on his badges, and i guess other aspect of III Reich militaria, but i cant read them coz they are in Slovakian

[der-hase-fee]

Forgot my Cyrillic alphabet, and the few words Russian I used do know. But the pictures speak for themselves:

http://www.derkrieg.com/store/element.php?SECTION_ID=2866&ELEMENT_ID=34932

[der-hase-fee]

Boooaaah !!! http://severnbeachantiques.com/v-rare-wwii-third-reich-nsdap-golden-party-badge

[Jo_Rivett]

The GPB without number on the Russian site translates as:
Gold party Badge NSDAP around the end of 1930. It is made from metal and that is covered with gilding, nice enamel. Judging by the catch, it was produced in the workshop “Deschler”. Outstanding condition, Original.

Boooaaah !!! http://severnbeachantiques.com/v-rare-wwii-third-reich-nsdap-golden-party-badge
You have to l♥ve the description though ... extremely rare & incredibly low number :)
He must be getting his stuff through Nicholas Morigi (http://www.nicholasmorigi.com/contact.php), and obviously does`nt know šhit from sugar. With the cr4p on his site, he is only making a laughing stock out of himself.

[der-hase-fee]

A well known fake now being offered as a collectible by Joe for $725.

http://www.joesmilitary.com/shop/viewphoto.php?shoph=50977&phqu=5

[Jo_Rivett]

One of the Better fakes, i am sure it will fool someone.

[Jo_Rivett]

Same fake as in posts 10 and 21.. only the number is different. Being sold at the mo as Original :(

[der-hase-fee]

"Sold as is. Have not encountered this pattern numbered version being copied, to the front as original and also to the back, ingrained dirt, I will not clean it and leave it as I got it. Could be right could be a copy, priced as a high end top copy, if original got a bargain as originals sell for £700.00 plus. I have had it checked, it is the pattern of a non maker marked Deschler one, and everything is right front and back and the person that checked it is 99% sure it is Original BUT still sold as is."

:angry:

[der-hase-fee]

With COA from Carsten Staegemeir, who appears to have a questionable reputation.

[Erich S]

With COA from Carsten Staegemeir, who appears to have a questionable reputation.

Looking at the badge that's an understatement!

[81078corrina]

Hello, i found medals in my attic and i was wondering if you could help me out and tell what they are and if they are worth anything? thank you

[der-hase-fee]

Hello, i found medals in my attic and i was wondering if you could help me out and tell what they are and if they are worth anything? thank you

WRONG THREAD !!! :crying:

[81078corrina]

Sorry, just joined wasn't sure where to put this picture ..:001_unsure:

[der-hase-fee]

Here we have a poor attempt at a fake ! :mellow:

[der-hase-fee]

I checked warrelics.eu out, because Gaspare kind of recommended it as an alternative for the future. Might be nice people, but their threads are messy and not very informative, at least as far as I am concerned. :thumbdown:

Anyway, I have come across two fakes there. Not sure whether these have been posted here before or not. Thought I add them for reference anyway.

[der-hase-fee]

http://shop.gun.sk/product_info.php?products_id=2455

Still not sold ! :thumbup1:

Anyway, pictures uploaded for future reference.

[der-hase-fee]

Forgot my Cyrillic alphabet, and the few words Russian I used do know. But the pictures speak for themselves:

http://www.derkrieg.com/store/element.php?SECTION_ID=2866&ELEMENT_ID=34932

Also, a keeper for the seller ! :thumbup:

[der-hase-fee]

Boooaaah !!! http://severnbeachantiques.com/v-rare-wwii-third-reich-nsdap-golden-party-badge

:angry:

[der-hase-fee]

With COA from Carsten Staegemeir, who appears to have a questionable reputation.

Now offering #36312 as an original here:

http://www.best-antiques.com/german/item.php?id=54480&SESSION_ID=4dd86c849c7d578fac18efe1d9d9a5aa

Login may be required.

[der-hase-fee]

Now offering #36312 as an original here:

http://www.best-antiques.com/german/item.php?id=54480&SESSION_ID=4dd86c849c7d578fac18efe1d9d9a5aa

Login may be required.

Another Staegemeir special for only 480 €: http://www.staegemeir.de/82oKGXa5/detail.php?artnr=5182

[der-hase-fee]

http://gunbid.info/-German-WW2-Nazi-Party-Large-Golden-Badge,name,143629,auction_id,auction_details

Pictures for future reference.

[der-hase-fee]

http://gunbid.info/auction_details.php?auction_search=1&auction_id=127907

For future reference:

Ooops, I had posted this one a while ago (post #38). :blushing:

I am trying to make it a habit to always post the number for easier reference !

[der-hase-fee]

It's being offered as a reproduction, but you never know when it's going to reappear.

[Erich S]

Here's a fake Fuess badge on a dealers site at this time. This badge is a known fake from the 80's.

[der-hase-fee]

Here's a fake Fuess badge on a dealers site at this time. This badge is a known fake from the 80's.

#88683 - just for future reference !

[der-hase-fee]

Here we have #33883, currently being offered for 680,- € on WAF's E-Stand: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=450672

[der-hase-fee]

Believe this one has not been shown here before. Currently up for purchase for 895 GPB.

[der-hase-fee]

Not sure it's needed in this gallery, but realizing there might be some less experienced collectors looking for advise I am posting this one anyway.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=182271000

[Br. James]

Ouch!! That one hurts just to look at it! Thanks for sharing, Andreus.

Br. James

[der-hase-fee]

As least I did my due diligence and searched for the number, but nothing came up.

http://www.ordensammler.com/html/3707.html

Asking 550 Euro.

[der-hase-fee]

Asking 620 Euro.

http://www.ordensammler.com/html/3709.html

[Jo_Rivett]

Asking 620 Euro.

http://www.ordensammler.com/html/3709.html

These must be "in trend" at the moment, i was offered an Identical Fake only but 2 weeks ago, same "Over stamped/Overprint" lines can be seen on both.. similar number... and the price was also the same :lol:

[der-hase-fee]

These must be "in trend" at the moment, i was offered an Identical Fake only but 2 weeks ago, same "Over stamped/Overprint" lines can be seen on both.. similar number... and the price was also the same :lol:

To make searching easier: #29582 !

[der-hase-fee]

Here we have #33883, currently being offered for 680,- € on WAF's E-Stand: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=450672

Another Austrian fake, but numbered #33869. I notified the dealer and he took the offer down immediately (asking price was 750 Euro). I did not even have a chance to download the pictures, sorry.

[Erich S]

Another Austrian fake, but numbered #33869. I notified the dealer and he took the offer down immediately (asking price was 750 Euro). I did not even have a chance to download the pictures, sorry.

I'm sure that it looks just like all the others out there.

[Jo_Rivett]

Post # 66 and # 75, are Fakes with different Casings (Militaray pin and normal) BUT they are both using the same Fake Roundel. (known as the Latvian Fake)

Link post 66 ►►http://worldwarmilitaria.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52432&postcount=66
Link post 75 ►►http://worldwarmilitaria.com/forum/showpost.php?p=53112&postcount=75

[der-hase-fee]

Post # 66 and # 75, are Fakes with different Casings (Militaray pin and normal) BUT they are both using the same Fake Roundel. (known as the Latvian Fake)

Thanks, Jo, hadn't even noticed. Will try to remember the distinguishing features of the Latvian fake !

[Jo_Rivett]

the distinguishing features of the Latvian fake !

I think they are the Hole between the A and P, as well as the untidy milling from S to T, and the untidy milling from the A in DAP to the DOT, this can even been clearly seen in the small badge picture above with pin plate fixture.ALTHOUGH, i do have a bunch more of these Fake roundels without enamel, and a few show that there is NO HOLE !!! There are enough `mistakes`on this "Latvian" fake to recognize though. I got more from the same seller, and his is 100% Adamant that they originally came from/through Souval in the mid 90`s !

[der-hase-fee]

... the distinguishing features of the Latvian fake !

The Loch is most noticeable. However there were originals with a similar flaw, see here: http://www.worldwarmilitaria.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6798 I am still hoping someone may he able to contribute pictures of similar originals.

[Jo_Rivett]

The Loch is most noticeable. However there were originals with a similar flaw, see here: http://www.worldwarmilitaria.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6798 I am still hoping someone may he able to contribute pictures of similar originals.

Yes there were, BUT.. this so called Latvian Fake is easy to follow:
Berliner Auction-house had a PAIR up at (if i remember) starting at €550.- with the same latvian Fake.... pics below .. AND, i dont know if anyone has mentioned this before, or even picked up on it, that German pair that were murdered in 2006 (i think) also had a pair of Fakes :scared: in fact, the two fakes are shown on the Police site right now... clear to see both badges are fake. That is no Fueß font, and there is our Latvian fake again. in Fact, these two look very similar to the two sold at Berliner auctionhouse ???? NO ??

Police shop link with pictures:
http://www.polizei-nrw.de/paderborn/Start/Aktuelle%20Fahndungen/article/Fahndungsaufruf.html?iGaleryPage=1

[Jo_Rivett]

Thanks, Jo, hadn't even noticed. Will try to remember the distinguishing features of the Latvian fake !
The Positioning of the letter "i" is also a giveaway, the i itself is longer than the L and S.

[der-hase-fee]

Yes there were, BUT.. this so called Latvian Fake is easy to follow:
Berliner Auction-house had a PAIR up at (if i remember) starting at €550.- with the same latvian Fake.... pics below .. AND, i dont know if anyone has mentioned this before, or even picked up on it, that German pair that were murdered in 2006 (i think) also had a pair of Fakes :scared: in fact, the two fakes are shown on the Police site right now... clear to see both badges are fake. That is no Fueß font, and there is our Latvian fake again. in Fact, these two look very similar to the two sold at Berliner auctionhouse ???? NO ??

Police shop link with pictures:
http://www.polizei-nrw.de/paderborn/Start/Aktuelle%20Fahndungen/article/Fahndungsaufruf.html?iGaleryPage=1

Jo, I have this link: http://www.polizei-nrw.de/paderborn/Start/Aktuelle%20Fahndungen/Fotos/ showing a small Deschler and ID'ing the missing pieces to be numbered 38833 / 9000 / 4579 / 28724 - not matching the fake set #74616 being offered at Berliner Auktionshaus.

[der-hase-fee]

In case this one hasn't been shown yet.

[der-hase-fee]

An unnumbered small Deschler fake eing offered at a Russian site for $1,100:

http://ww2.ru/eng/store/element.php?SECTION_ID=2866&ELEMENT_ID=34932

[der-hase-fee]

I don't think we have shown these before.

[der-hase-fee]

This thing is so ugly !

Appraisal Value: $750 - To: $1250
EARLY 30.5MM DESCHLER & SOHN #356 NSDAP NAZI PARTY PIN!
REPLACEMENT ERA PARTY MEMBER PIN IN GOLD

http://tigerpatterns.com/index.php?id=261&type=milTree

[der-hase-fee]

Almost hard to believe anyone could think this one to be genuine, but pictures were posted on another forum asking for opinions. :ohmy:

[der-hase-fee]

Offered for 1,600 Euros, coming with an expert's certificate:

http://www.militaria.es/Base/Fotos.php?d=&c=Medalles/&ref=9770&exten=jpg&foto=4&id=militaria&nom=%27USA

[Jo_Rivett]

Did i never relate my kai Winkler story ? Since This year i will never do business wit him again. And i did lots of business, but he tried to F**k me out of €5.- ! Yes a lumpige €5.- !!! so we will never communicate again. I lost the 5 euros in the end, and i don't care, at least i will never talk with this company again, ever !! And if he, or Andreas wants to write on this thread, i will say exactly what happened.. but i doubt 99,99999% they will.

It was a stupid matter, but the arrogance on the Winkler ruined the communication... so even though it is only about 5 Euros, i still don't care, it is the difference between being treated like a human customer, and a piece of sh**t .. and they chose the latter...so they loose.

When i say Andreas i dont mean ANDY-hasefee, but the Winkler-gimp

[der-hase-fee]

Auctioned by Mohawk Arms Inc.
PO Box 157
Bouckville, NY 13310

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/8139273

# Estimate $750 - $1,500
# Starting Bid $750

[der-hase-fee]

Found on another forum, where this badge has been discussed as a fake.

[Erich S]

Found on another forum, where this badge has been discussed as a fake.

One of those Austrian fakes that have really been making the rounds as of late. It really amazes me on how many dealers and collectors get stung by these badges.

[der-hase-fee]

Easy to spot.

[der-hase-fee]

Poor fake.

[der-hase-fee]

Matched set for only $1,000 !

http://www.ioffer.com/i/nazi-german-nsdap-member-gold-party-badge-pin-set-172176905?source=eisi

[der-hase-fee]

Matched set for only $1,000 !

Another one, with the case even.

http://www.ioffer.com/i/nazi-german-nsdap-gold-party-pin-set-large-small-badge-141245333?source=eisi

[der-hase-fee]

Another one, with the case even.

http://www.ioffer.com/i/nazi-german-nsdap-gold-party-pin-set-large-small-badge-141245333?source=eisi

2 more pictures #30098

[Erich S]

Another one, with the case even.

http://www.ioffer.com/i/nazi-german-nsdap-gold-party-pin-set-large-small-badge-141245333?source=eisi

You mean another fake, correct? these are not even close.

[Erich S]

And I'm sure someone will get hosed by these too.

[Jo_Rivett]

2 more pictures #30098

thats the Latvian Fake up top, the small Deschler is the same as Weitze was trying to flog a few weeks back :blushing:

[Jo_Rivett]

Auctioned by Mohawk Arms Inc.


& these are the people with so much Experience :blushing::blushing::blushing: and who are mentioned in Books like Ailsby writes for example.... (Fantasy ISA NSDAP issued etc etc)

Have i missed something? the older you get, the more pieces pass through your hands, the MORE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW... with them, and many others, it is the other way around :blushing::blushing: Shame on them !

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Just got the :thumbdown: at WAF.

[Jo_Rivett]

Being sold now at cr_apola-mili321 as GUARANTEED ORIGINAL FROM PRIVATE HOUSEHOLD

Auction link wont work to cr_apolaMili321 because the fraudster has made it a private auction....., so picture below showing auction number and sellers details and Disgraceful description.

Pics below

[Erich S]

Being sold now at cr_apola-mili321 as GUARANTEED ORIGINAL FROM PRIVATE HOUSEHOLD

Auction link wont work to cr_apolaMili321 because the fraudster has made it a private auction....., so picture below showing auction number and sellers details and Disgraceful description.

Pics below

I bet there are a lot of real fakes from Households! LOL:D

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http://longislandcobra.com/Links/448.htm

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Please see here: http://www.worldwarmilitaria.com/forum/showpost.php?p=53986&postcount=94

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Offered by Hermann Historica in their 54th auction. No picture of the reverse.

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Set sold in separate auctions by notorious "afrikaheld" in April 2003 (351 and 501 Euro respectively).

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Set sold by "Brunswiekmili" in October 2002.

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Set sold by "Brunswiekmili" in October 2002.

Same seller, sole Fuess offered in July 2002.

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Same seller, sole Fuess offered in July 2002.

All the same, sold for 261 Euro in March 2003.

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Set in the case.

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Frequently seen fake.

[Br. James]

Dear Andreas,

Many thanks for posting the pix of the so-called matched and boxed set #97844 -- when I first opened the photo I thought I was seeing my first example of a FUESS matched set of a large and small GPB!! The large badge is only missing the railroad ties on the obverse to qualify! Shameful!

Happy holidays,

Br. James

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Another example. Asking price is 650 Euro.

http://imperial-medals.com/product_info.php?info=p52_Golden-Party-Badge.html

As Erich was saying in the other thread: Look at the entire badge !

Happy Holidays !

[Erich S]

One thing you don't often or never see is a fake 24mm Deschler badge.

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Bad fake, re-listed already numerous times with a starting bid of $2,399: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=213226359

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Typical fake.

[Br. James]

Dear Andreas,

Actually, this is a very good-looking badge -- at least to me. What qualifies it as a fake from your point of view? Please teach me!

Br. James

[Erich S]

Dear Andreas,

Actually, this is a very good-looking badge -- at least to me. What qualifies it as a fake from your point of view? Please teach me!

Br. James

Br.James, this is a well known Austrian fake that came out in the 80's that have been in collections for 20yrs unfortunately. If you look at the letter fonts compared to an original Fuess you will see the differences. Also, the numbers on the reverse ALWAYS have repeating numbers.

[Erich S]

There are other differences as well.

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There are other differences as well.

Thank you, Erich !:thumbup:

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Came in a stash of badges: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=485247

Too bad it's a fake !

[Br. James]

Yes, THANK YOU indeed, Erich! Even though I have been collecting and studying our subject for more than 50 years I am always interested in learning something new! Much appreciated information.

Br. James

[StephenL]

Other give-aways on the 1980s fake Fuess are the uniformly regular letters on the front and tall "C" in "MUNCHEN" on the pinplate.

[Erich S]

Yes, THANK YOU indeed, Erich! Even though I have been collecting and studying our subject for more than 50 years I am always interested in learning something new! Much appreciated information.

Br. James

We're all still learning in this hobby!

[Jo_Rivett]

Did a check on the number here and nothing came up... this one was at Mr Weitzes for €750.- no idea if it sold.... i guess another "mistake" on the part of the staff ??

[Erich S]

Did a check on the number here and nothing came up... this one was at Mr Weitzes for €750.- no idea if it sold.... i guess another "mistake" on the part of the staff ??

Yep, many big name dealers have been guilty of selling these badges. Most honestly thought that they were original. :confused:

[der-hase-fee]

Offered at auction by seller Wigant from Latvia:
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9797516

Doesn't say it being offered as an original, but doesn't say the opposite either.

[Jo_Rivett]

Shame, he really believes he has something special :blushing::blushing:
€2500.- for a modern Repro is a little heavy ... strangely though, there has been has huge rise in Big names `trying`to sell fakes in the past months......
► LINK TO SALE OF SHAME (http://www.ma-shops.de/futter/item.php5?id=1902&lang=en) ◄
Pics for future reference below

[George Stimson]

Wow. I think that sales of such expensive fake items really should be prosecutable under some kind of fraud and/or grand theft statute.

[Jo_Rivett]

Wow. I think that sales of such expensive fake items really should be prosecutable under some kind of fraud and/or grand theft statute.

I agree, $3500.- is a big amount of green :scared: Maybe someone will actually fall for it because the guy is an Antiques dealer :confused1:
I guess this is how lots of old Fakes got into collections, just because the old boys trusted the seller and what he said. I`m all for the public Tarring & Feathering gag on issues like this.

[der-hase-fee]

Nobody should fall for this guy (formerly known as Afrikaheld and presumably many other names), but he keeps selling tons of fakes. Here is a current GPB offering (http://www.best-antiques.com/english/item.php?id=58964&SESSION_ID=100531343f0006ac8e0da81ca7671093 login required) for 350 Euro starting bid / 450 Euro buy-it-now. Pictures for future reference.

[Jo_Rivett]

Pictures for future reference.
The Job needs to be done properly :lol:
I cant comment about the Awards and Uniforms that he sells due to lack of knowledge, but the small badges he tries to peddle off are a mockery to the Hobby, all sold as Original of course :blushing: Shame on him. (Nice RZM marked SSFM btw Carsten :thumbup1: )

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The Job needs to be done properly :lol:

Why ? Can only figure the first picture out !

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Offered on WAF for $1,000.

[Jo_Rivett]

Oh joy of joys, Finally the proof, that Souval made the GPB, aaaand, that Detl♥v Niemann, is in fact Jesus Christ. Well, the JC of Militaria anyway.. as per the Item description, which could be yours, for a Poultry $5000.- !Quote: Guarantee: As you know for German awards it is very difficult to make Certificate of Authenticity. Today only D. Niemann from Germany can give the Certificate of Authenticity

Link:
http://ww2army.com/images/4000-4999/4320/1.php

[George Stimson]

"aaaand, that Detl♥v Niemann, is in fact Jesus Christ. Well, the JC of Militaria anyway.."

But Detlev hasn't risen from the dead yet....

[Jo_Rivett]

."
But Detlev hasn't risen from the dead yet....
Neither has Jesus :D
And as far as i know, Detl♥v Niemann was NOT a "vereidigter Sachverständiger" in Militaria, so his word, printed or not, is only his word, and carries no weight. But this auction has nothing to do with him though, just some poor poor guy trying to sell a 5000.- fake using the Niemann name in his description to sound like he knows whats going on.

[Br. James]

I have to agree with George, that "Detlev Niemann is not the Jesus Christ of Militaria!" And to Jo -- my best wishes for a blessed Ash Wednesday and a Holy Lent!

Br. James

[George Stimson]

It's Jo's assertion, not mine. (But you should still agree with it!)

[Jo_Rivett]

To my knowledge there is only 1 vereidigter Sachverständiger in Germany for Third Reich Militaria, and that is Alexander von Renz (Web: http://www.vonrenz.de/ ) all the rest are like.. well, the Church of the Scientology .. :tongue_smilie:
Thanks James, but i don't celebrate any Religious holidays, and have to be at the Hospital in a few hours today for a check up anyway ... so no "knees up" for me.

[der-hase-fee]

Nice, but way off.

[Jo_Rivett]

Nice, but way off.

Where did you find this pic? link?

[Jo_Rivett]

#93366 Typical fake.

Back up for sale on the same site now as 100% genuine of course :-)))

[Erich S]

Some fool will part with his money due to not doing his homework.:thumbdown:

[der-hase-fee]

Where did you find this pic? link?

I don't think it's being offered as an original. That's just my impression from the low starting bid of 20 Euro. I don't see reproduction being mentioned anywhere ?

http://katalog.auktionshaus-rheine.de/de/cmd/d/o/207.79-430/auk/79/p/3/

[Br. James]

Thanks for sharing, Andreas. The faker that designed this badge was inventive, in my estimation, and the final result is attractive in its own way. The designer has substituted the oak leaf surround with what appear to be a garland of laurel leaves and berries -- a symbol of peace! Perhaps there's a message here somewhere?!

Br. James

[Jo_Rivett]

Nice, but way off.

I don't think it started out as a GPB, i have seen that boarder on something else before, but cant remember what now. The badge in the center is a normal repro party badge, with no extra thin white boarder, and not made to fit the wreath either hence the gap around the edge.. someones put 2 and 2 together here, and come up with 6.

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Carsten strikes again: Guaranteed original !

[Jo_Rivett]

Carsten strikes again: Guaranteed original !
Pork Rinds !! he eats too many of them.

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Typical fake.

Being offered again. I notified the seller of his mistake.

[Jo_Rivett]

Being offered again. I notified the seller of his mistake.

Yeah, i said so on post 150 above at the start of this week. You wont get anywhere with the seller....

[glcanon]

Saw this listing recently -- and of course they are supposedly real. What concerns me on the Deschler is the triangles within the letter A. The triangles seem small compared to other Deschlers I have seen. The back of the Deschler looks awfully clean. And the pin on the Fuess has obviously been soldered on. What do you think -- fake or not?

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq215/glcanon/SSfake4.png

[der-hase-fee]

Saw this listing recently -- and of course they are supposedly real. What concerns me on the Deschler is the triangles within the letter A. The triangles seem small compared to other Deschlers I have seen. The back of the Deschler looks awfully clean. And the pin on the Fuess has obviously been soldered on. What do you think -- fake or not?

Welcome to the forum.

A few tips for a great experience studying and collecting GPB's:

1) Kris Lindholm does not sell fakes.
2) A search on this forum would have lead you here: http://worldwarmilitaria.com/forum/showpost.php?p=54724&postcount=149
3) This thread is to present confirmed fakes, please open new thread(s) to get opinions.

Good luck !

[Erich S]

Other than the replaced pin plate on the Fuess badge both are textbook examples.

[Jo_Rivett]

Wasn't sure if we had this one already, was sold as Original :blushing:

[Erich S]

And it's bad.

[StephenL]

Here's one I was sent for a look. Bad fake set, but first time I've seen the "coffin" pinplate on a GPB. Notice also the cast breather hole on the small one that isn't really a hole.

Being sold by an "80 year old lady" as her father's set....

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Being sold by an "80 year old lady" as her father's set....

Does this point to Germany ?

I read about a scheme where a mid aged guy pretends to have an old aunt who wants to sell militaria from her family. So he finds unsuspecting collectors (Is there such a thing ? :mellow: But I am sure a few with their tongues hanging out, though ! :huh:) and is having the old lady present all kinds of stuff, including higher value items. Downwside of course that most if not all are fakes. :crying:

[StephenL]

The potential buyer didn't say, but I suspect so.

People have trouble believing older folks can be crooks (or the front for crooks), but young crooks get old too...

[der-hase-fee]

Description reads:

Sold as is. Have not encountered this pattern numbered version being copied, to the front as original and also to the back, ingrained dirt, I will not clean it and leave it as I got it. Could be right could be a copy, priced as a high end top copy, if original got a bargain as originals sell for £700.00 plus. I have had it checked, it is the pattern of a non maker marked Deschler one, and everything is right front and back and the person that checked it is 99% sure it is Original BUT still sold as is.

I can assure everyone this is a 100% fake. And imitating a Fuess, not Deschler.

[der-hase-fee]

Another Austrian fake, but numbered #33869. I notified the dealer and he took the offer down immediately (asking price was 750 Euro). I did not even have a chance to download the pictures, sorry.

Okay, what goes around, comes around. Same fake being offered as original again (http://www.militaria321.com/auktion/5897050/Goldenes-Ehrenzeichen---Parteiabzeichen-der-NSDAP).

Thanks to feuerball for this catch.

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Just popped up on WAF.

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Another Austrian fake.

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Austrian fake much like the one in the post before.

[Erich S]

Andreas, I think that we have enough of these Austrian fakes represented on this thread. What is amazing to me is that there are a few collectors out there that think they're real!:confused:

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Andreas, I think that we have enough of these Austrian fakes represented on this thread. What is amazing to me is that there are a few collectors out there that think they're real!:confused:

This is searchable by number and may help a few fellow collectors.

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Klaus Butschek fell for this one.

[Erich S]

I hope that he didn't sell it !:thumbdown:

[der-hase-fee]

I hope that he didn't sell it !:thumbdown:

I notified him and he pulled the offer within the hour. :thumbup1:

[Erich S]

I notified him and he pulled the offer within the hour. :thumbup1:

Good man:thumbup1:

[Jo_Rivett]

Very disappointing to see Shea selling this as Original :blushing::blushing::blushing:
http://therupturedduck.com/WebPages/Medals/Medals/m011a.htm

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Very disappointing to see Shea selling this as Original :blushing::blushing::blushing:
http://therupturedduck.com/WebPages/Medals/Medals/m011a.htm

Good catch, Jo. Did you notify him of his mistake ?

[Erich S]

When he found out it was bad he said that he would remove it.

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Austrian fake 83338 much like the one in the post before.

Now on auction:

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Another Austrian fake.

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XXX fell for this one.

Here is the bad penny again (#96966), now being offered by XX as an original !

[Erich S]

It's amazing to me that these badges continue to fool these big name dealers.:confused1:

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XXXX fell for this one.

This is the most stubborn bad penny yet ! :o

Seller is notified.

[Jo_Rivett]

This is the most stubborn bad penny yet ! :o

Seller is notified.
Did you not read his website LAWS ?
Linksetzungen, welche auf die Inhalte der vorliegenden Website verweisen, bedürfen der Zustimmung des Anbieters.
Hmm, read that before somewhere, on a guy called Ralfs website..... :lol:

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Did you not read his website LAWS ?
Linksetzungen, welche auf die Inhalte der vorliegenden Website verweisen, bedürfen der Zustimmung des Anbieters.
Hmm, read that before somewhere, on a guy called Ralfs website..... :lol:

Sorry, missed it - not that I ever check explicitly for those restrictions.

Seller responded and removed the listing.

[Jo_Rivett]

Seller responded and removed the listing.
I guess each collector has to interpret that in their own way. Why is it up to us, to "inform" these DEALERS that they are trying to sell fakes? These are people with their own websites, in some cases their own Auction Houses and or Internet Auction platforms.. people whos sales catalogs are used by many to authenticate and judge value... people who have been selling their items for Decades... before the internet through mail-order... who was around to "inform" them back then that they were trying to sell fakes?? and WHY, are these people still trying to sell fakes?

[StephenL]

I have been asked as Moderator by the poster to delete the links in the above posts. I have done so, although posting links to a public website of a dealer is generally not against any law, even if the website owner says he doesn't want to allow it. If the owner of a website wants to police links and photos, they have to make it password protected and members only, and deny access to those who violate their rules.

Similarly, photos publicly available on the web can be reproduced and posted freely for educational and not for profit purposes under the "fair use" exemption to copyright laws. This does vary from country to country, so always best to check local laws.

Websites like this can also set their own policies for the conduct of members and police it through membership controls.

Nonetheless, I have deleted the links at the poster's request.

[der-hase-fee]

As least I did my due diligence and searched for the number, but nothing came up.

http://www.ordensammler.com/html/3707.html

Asking 550 Euro.

#35527 still available !

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Asking 620 Euro.

http://www.ordensammler.com/html/3709.html

#29226 still available !

[Jo_Rivett]

#29226 still available !
We should not be surprised. As W.Saris, O.Spronk and many many others here have said, the collector, or even in my opinion DEALER doesn't read, he does not buy books and does not want to inform himself. Any quick internet check, will of course show that Exact same fakes like this, were sold by Herman Historica and Helmut Weitze to name but only 2 dealers.. and they were sold as Genuine as well.... for €300-700 each

So where is the surprise? i would imagine that the owner of this fake GPB knows this, and could not care what you, i or anyone on any forum says says about his GPB, he knows who sells them as real, and so his one will also stay real..forever.

[der-hase-fee]

Did a check on the number here and nothing came up... this one was at Mr Weitzes for €750.- no idea if it sold.... i guess another "mistake" on the part of the staff ??

Now shows sold again ($1,550 ?) on an Australian site: http://www.ekmilitaria.com.au/Catalogue.htm

[der-hase-fee]

A quality investment being presented here for only $1,800:

http://www.legacy-collectibles.com/new-items/g-gold-party-badge-30mm

:ohmy:

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A quality investment being presented here for only $1,800:

http://www.legacy-collectibles.com/new-items/g-gold-party-badge-30mm

:ohmy:

Too bad I did not upload the pictures (but will do so in future posts). :huh: The large GPB now being offered looks good, on commission from a reputable collector buddy, I have been informed.

http://www.legacy-collectibles.com/war-souvenirs/badges-and-medals/g-gold-party-badge-30mm

[der-hase-fee]

Being auctioned as an original.

[Erich S]

Gezzzz!

[Jo_Rivett]

Being auctioned as an original.
is this the one on Staegemeiers site? i looked at one a day or two ago, fake of course, but when i tried to log in, to thieve the pictures, it became apparent that somehow, my account has ... well... been closed. My own fault i guess for poking fingers at the **** he tries to sell as original.. only myself to blame here... hard to live with as well, being barred from the▬▬as the name implies▬▬BEST antiques auction platform :blushing:

[der-hase-fee]

Just posted over at WAF.

For comparison: http://www.worldwarmilitaria.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6900

[Jo_Rivett]

Is this the Gollum ring ?

[der-hase-fee]

This one should be offered as a copy, but instead is as a "medal without guarantee", which is worse than offering it as an original with the option to return !

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Being auctioned as an original by Carsten Staegemeir & Team !

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Being auctioned as an original by Carsten Staegemeir & Team !

Pictures or the art-fact.

[Erich S]

It's amazing how many collectors spend big money on these badges and dealers who sell them without doing their homework. :confused:

[angeloid]

46451

46452

these badge`s letters colored gold.
it`s a all fakes??

[der-hase-fee]

46451

46452

these badge`s letters colored gold.
it`s a all fakes??

You should have opened a new thread. All good.

[Erich S]

Look fine to me as well.:thumbup1:

[angeloid]

You should have opened a new thread. All good.

thank you.
I`ll try it.

[der-hase-fee]

Being auctioned as an original.

#36218 is being offered again; same seller, same place ..... different badge !?! :scared:

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Offered at auction, as an original.

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Offered at auction, though not explicitly advertised as an original.

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Offered at auction, though not explicitly advertised as an original.

... and the small badge, a separate offering.

[Erich S]

It's interesting to note that 99% of fake 24mm badges that you see are the Fuess style.

[der-hase-fee]

Offered at auction, as an original.

Someone paid 600 Euro plus fees and shipping for #2004 ! :crying:

[der-hase-fee]

Someone was inquiring about this piece. Easy for long term collectors, but may help one less experienced.

[Br. James]

Well, here's another one I've never seen before! Where do they all come from?! It almost looks like a real Party badge set into a very unusual stickpin surround! Any thoughts about whether the centerpiece NSDAP badge could be genuine? Hard to tell, I guess, since the reverse is not visible.

Br. James

[Erich S]

Now that's an ugly one!:thumbdown: